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Amaki Mai
Meiyi Family Holdings
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Posted - 2012.10.04 04:47:00 -
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The Amarr faith was millenia old LONG before Amarr met their first Matari.
Also, you're claiming that God was made in the image of man, when clearly it is the other way around. It should be Deuspomrophism, if anything.
Really, man, where were you raised? |
Amaki Mai
Meiyi Family Holdings
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Posted - 2012.10.04 09:32:00 -
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First of all the Amarrians are STILL spiritual. The Empire is, after all, the only civilisation with a single, unified, belief system that boasts a single godhead.
The rest of it has a laughably low signal to noise ratio.
Everybody knows why the Amarr enslaved the Minmatar. The Faith tells us that we should use any and all means necessary to bring the Fallen to know and respect the Will of God. There have been many methods tried over the millenia, but one of the more successful ones has been through conquest, enslavement , spiritual realignment and then release.
Somebody looked at the barely space-worthy Matari civililsation and decided that conquest would work adequately well so as to preclude more drawn out methods. That is the reason. It's the same reasoning that drove the conquest of the Udorians and the Ealur. It's the same reasoning that chose non-martial or nearly non-martial methods to integrate the Khanid and the Ni-Kunni.
There was no 'special reasoning' applied to the Matari question. There were no special techniques or tactics. I daresay the Empire STILL hasn't worked out what went so very wrong in this one case. Was it the Jovians? The Gallente intervention? Was it something fundamental to the nature of the Minmatar people themselves? I just don't know, the waters are so muddied by the fast pace of events between the massacre at Vak'Aktioth and the Rebellion.
So what this nonsense about "instincts that crave to distort the image of man" or the Minmatar being "the race that most counters the features of an Amarr" or the idea that a well-codified and centralised religious Faith being embraced whole-heartedly in all aspects of daily life leading to "a need to corrupt His image" has to do with anything is well beyond my comprehension.
What's need is not more study, but more explanation, if not more SENSE.
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Amaki Mai
Meiyi Family Holdings
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Posted - 2012.10.05 00:54:00 -
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You are, AGAIN, patently ignoring the flow of the fourth dimension in your arguments.
The scripture that underlines the Reclaiming was set in stone before the Amarrians and the Khanid ever left Athra. It was put into practice upon the Khanid and Udorian upon Athra and then taken to the stars against the Ealur, Ni-Kunni and countless other peoples before ever the Golden Fleet entered the territory of the Matari tribes.
Now, I know why the Minmatar consider themselves to be a special case, but the question is why YOU do? Look at ME, now look at Cardinal Graelyn. Now back to me. I look WAY more different to him than a Sebestior or Vherokior. It's debatable whether I look more or less different than Brutor does, but it's it's certainly up for question.
And the Khanid were the first or second race to be Reclaimed. If the Reclamation is a fear response to the Other, then why were we welcomed into an Alliance and then granted the rights of citizenship?
Also, you are again being silly. Slavery was introduced to cow frightened citizens who were concerned that the Government was, at once, gaining too much power and, at the same time, powerless before the church? Make your mind up. |
Amaki Mai
Meiyi Family Holdings
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Posted - 2012.10.07 18:39:00 -
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If you're capable of greater clarity than he is, perhaps you could precis this supposedly wonderful hypothesis? I have already addressed the only psychological 'insight' that I detected.
Regarding the rest of your post, certainly I know of several former slaves who now own slaves. One could argue that, with their perspective, they might make superior Holders. Fortunately the Empire actually has a mechanism by which Slaves can rise up in society, even if it does take quite awhile to happen. |
Amaki Mai
Meiyi Family Holdings
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Posted - 2012.10.08 02:17:00 -
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Braitai wrote:Amaki Mai wrote:Fortunately the Empire actually has a mechanism by which Slaves can rise up in society, even if it does take quite awhile to happen. Only by sacrificing their freedom of thought.
Whereas Caldari are promoted solely on their divergence from Corporate policy? Matari are raised up to the status of Elders in their tribes for breaking all the tribal strictures?
Guess what? Societies have rules and they generally try to reward those who follow them and punish those that break them. The only tricky part of this is that some of those rules are publicly stated and some of them are admitted to only in private.
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Amaki Mai
Meiyi Family Holdings
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Posted - 2012.10.08 05:38:00 -
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That is where we disagree. That sort of social behavior is why we fly starships and live in giant floating cities as opposed to mud huts. |
Amaki Mai
Meiyi Family Holdings
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Posted - 2012.10.09 04:02:00 -
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Braitai wrote:Amaki Mai wrote:That is where we disagree. That sort of social behavior is why we fly starships and live in giant floating cities as opposed to mud huts. Social incentives that advance society need not be oppressive.
Oh good! Opressive! Glad you're not using terms with fungible definitions. |
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